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DJCoastal · May 29, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Hahaha... Good job Anet. Very well done. xD I love it!!!

I am actually sad that I didn't see this up close myself.

Gun Pierson · May 29, 2010, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Job well done Anet and it's a statement to the community you still care. The Dhuum animation is a cool way to express this stance ingame.

jonnieboi05 · May 29, 2010, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by DJCoastal

Hahaha... Good job Anet. Very well done. xD I love it!!!

I am actually sad that I didn't see this up close myself.

Join the club, babe.

Nerel · May 29, 2010, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by snaek

"you were banned for using xy bot." <--- how exactly is this dangerous information in the hands of a bot programmer?

If the banned botter had been using multiple different botting methods over the course of the past year, this would be NCsoft support telling him which bots they can detect AND WHICH THEY CAN'T.

snaek · May 29, 2010, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Nerel

If the banned botter had been using multiple different botting methods over the course of the past year, this would be NCsoft support telling him which bots they can detect AND WHICH THEY CAN'T.

stating 1 is enough to warrant the ban.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I think they have more information then just: you are using XY Bot.

depends on a per case basis how much info they need to divulge.

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Originally Posted by klimtog

That's not really any evidence.

it is. not a whole lot mind you, but it is. what's not evidence is an automated message saying "you were banned for botting", which is just laziness. if they revealed the specific bot, it at least shows that the person actually checked your records, instead of seeing "bot" in the subject title and ignoring to read the body message and ignoring to actually check your records to see if perhaps it actually was a mistake.

cormac ap dunn · May 29, 2010, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by snaek

stating 1 is enough to warrant the ban.

actually, anything Anet/NCsoft deems warrants the ban, they have to state nothing at all. they do so purely as convenience.

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Originally Posted by snaek

depends on a per case basis how much info they need to divulge.

see above

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Originally Posted by snaek

it is. not a whole lot mind you, but it is. what's not evidence is an automated message saying "you were banned for botting", which is just laziness. if they revealed the specific bot, it at least shows that the person actually checked your records, instead of seeing "bot" in the subject title and ignoring to read the body message and ignoring to actually check your records to see if perhaps it actually was a mistake.

I think you have been missing the point of them NOT announcing they were even doing all this to begin with, it not only eliminates the botters, it keeps the bot makers in the dark. I for one am all about them NOT being able to make new bots for the game. Call me a bad person for not wanting to help pretty awful people profit from ruining something i enjoy legally

st4rscream · May 29, 2010, 05:17 AM // 05:17

I just wanted to post here I just logging into my email and saw I had an email from NC Soft.
Your account was permanently closed because it was found to be related to networks which sell in-game items for cash or other items with real world value. This action is against our User Agreement, where Section 7 states, "You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so."

I have never done anything like this, the closest I ever got was buying the War in Kryta clothes from the in-game store. I hope they restore my account I love the game and feel betrayed, and swindled.

amaretto creme · May 29, 2010, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by st4rscream

I just wanted to post here I just logging into my email and saw I had an email from NC Soft.
Your account was permanently closed because it was found to be related to networks which sell in-game items for cash or other items with real world value. This action is against our User Agreement, where Section 7 states, "You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so."

I have never done anything like this, the closest I ever got was buying the War in Kryta clothes from the in-game store. I hope they restore my account I love the game and feel betrayed, and swindled.

I would ask them exactly what you did and if they could show you the proof of it. Maybe you were just purchasing something from an account that regularly sells gold and was flagged for it or something and didn't know it. I know a few people who that has happened to.

st4rscream · May 29, 2010, 05:31 AM // 05:31

I'm not sure I don't usually buy anything in that game. I plan on trying to call them on Tues. after the holiday.

Nerel · May 29, 2010, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by snaek

stating 1 is enough to warrant the ban.

Yes, because the botting community would share information about which bots got them banned and which bots seemingly didn't get anyone banned, you're right... that information would be of no use to the botters...

/facepalm

And how does naming a bot prove anything, if you botted you already know which bot you used... having Anet name the bot only serves to illustrate what you already know... if you didn't bot, and Anet believes that they detected you using a certain bot... how does naming the bot help your case.

Anet: Our logs showed that you used XY bot!
Wrongly accused gamer: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot!
Banned Botter: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot! Can I haz mah account back nao plz?

What a fail idea. Illustrate how naming the bot can help those wrongly accused? Go on...

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Originally Posted by st4rscream

I just wanted to post here I just logging into my email and saw I had an email from NC Soft.
Your account was permanently closed because it was found to be related to networks which sell in-game items for cash or other items with real world value. This action is against our User Agreement, where Section 7 states, "You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so."

I have never done anything like this, the closest I ever got was buying the War in Kryta clothes from the in-game store. I hope they restore my account I love the game and feel betrayed, and swindled.

When did you last use the account? it's quite possible that your account had been compromised (hacked) by RMT scumbags and used for selling, storing or farming gold... if that's the case, you really need to talk to Anet/NCsoft support to get your account back, be aware that it might have been stripped of valuables by the RMT scumbags...

amaretto creme · May 29, 2010, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Yeah, that's probably a good thing. They are probably pretty swamped with the support, especially online, though I'm not saying the phones won't be just as bad. Either way, I'd say just make sure you ask them to tell you what exactly when wrong because you honestly aren't sure. They will more than likely tell you what happened, and then you'll have more knowledge and be able to say whether or not you knew what was going on, or even they will see if they made an error that way as well. Definitely ask them what the exact offense was though, or you will just go around in circles forever.

cormac ap dunn · May 29, 2010, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Yes, because the botting community would share information about which bots got them banned and which bots seemingly didn't get anyone banned, you're right... that information would be of no use to the botters...

This is spot on ! I would think the only ones interested in which bots got people banned are a) botters looking to see which bots to avoid b) bot makers looking to see what to avoid making in the future c) trolls trying to encourage said botters and bot makers because they enjoy havoc and lack the simple ability to play due to boredom, stress, or a generally awful personal life...

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Originally Posted by Nerel

how does naming the bot help your case.

Anet: Our logs showed that you used XY bot!
Wrongly accused gamer: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot!
Banned Botter: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot! Can I haz mah account back nao plz?

This seems to be what we are seeing more and more of on these threads. The guilty push to prove their innocence worried they won't get their account back, maybe even trying to gather support on a public forum.... the innocent go to the source, they have nothing to prove to anyone other then the support team.

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

They didn't get banned for "curiosity".
They got got banned for cheating.
They knew it was wrong. They took the risk. They paid the price.

It's a game not real life. Most people don't know what's wrong or what's right in the virtual world. Now, in real life i know cheating on an exam is...wrong, murdering someone is...wrong for any reason..etc etc...people don't kill for curiosity or steal or commit any "crime" out of curiosity for that matter. Using a bot out of curiosity is not a crime then...

majoho · May 29, 2010, 08:51 AM // 08:51

What is your point?

No one said it was real life.

Everyone knew they weren't supposed to bot, no sympathy from me.

shoyon456 · May 29, 2010, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

It's a game not real life. Most people don't know what's wrong or what's right in the virtual world.

Hmmmm, wasn't there a document you're supposed to read through and then agree to before playing that explains what is wrong and right in GW, and what can earn you a permaban...

See: EULA

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by majoho

What is your point?

No one said it was real life.

Everyone knew they weren't supposed to bot, no sympathy from me.

In real life we know what's wrong and what's not mostly so when you guys say "they knew it was wrong"...that's not really true because there are diff levels of doing wrong so one does not instantly realize that in the virtual world. When injecting GW with a supposedly working bot one will not realize what their actually doing until they have used it to gain something... I think I explained my point clearly...because when I realized what it was capable of I quit immediately but Anet doesn't care.

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Hmmmm, wasn't there a document you're supposed to read through and then agree to before playing that explains what is wrong and right in GW, and what can earn you a permaban...

See: EULA

Yea , thanks for pointing that out. You guys should conduct a poll on Guru and see how many people say they have actually read it word for word...seriously...

shoyon456 · May 29, 2010, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Yea , thanks for pointing that out. You guys should conduct a poll on Guru and see how many people say they have actually read it word for word...seriously...

So wait, they're not at fault because they don't know what is illicit conduct or not, and say its not their fault when they don't read the document they're supposed to read that explains said conduct and have to agree to before playing?

Oh ok, just making sure that's the argument you want to go with.

No, a lot of people don't read it word for word, but that doesn't diminish the responsibility and culpability of the person. "But officer, everyone else was speeding too!" doesn't work in real life and it doesn't work here.

Gabriel of Ravn · May 29, 2010, 09:33 AM // 09:33

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Yea , thanks for pointing that out. You guys should conduct a poll on Guru and see how many people say they have actually read it word for word...seriously...

Let's see I have never actually read in a law book it's illegal to steal yet I still don't do it. Let's take a poll on that and see how many people have read that word for word in an actual text book and don't steal.

Dzjudz · May 29, 2010, 09:48 AM // 09:48

To the botters who say they didn't read the EULA and that nobody else did:

Do you really need to read the EULA to know that botting = ban?

I'll freely admit that I never read the EULA. On the other hand, I don't bot and know that botters will and should get a ban.

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

When injecting GW with a supposedly working bot one will not realize what their actually doing until they have used it to gain something...

What what what?

1. You go to a bot site
2. You find a certain bot, let's say "raptor farm bot"
3. You read what it does, how it works, what you need to do to set it up
4. You download it
5. You install it
6. You run it
7. You finally figure out what you are doing?

That is essentially your reasoning, or am I missing something?